Researching Seamans

On this dull dank day I took yesterday’s walk in reverse. Horse in sawdust 12.12 In Minstead village there is field containing two ponies which are often seen by the gate, at this time fetlock-deep in water-filled well-drilled hoofprints.  Nearby buckets perhaps contain some kind of food supplement for these animals leaving the slightly drier centre field to watch the world go by.  The wooden stile has a signpost alongside it indicating a public footpath across the land.  I doubt anyone has trodden it for some months.  Yesterday afternoon a couple were strewing sawdust over the pools.  I asked if they were ‘trying to make that passable’.  ‘For the horses’,  the man replied.  Hoping he didn’t think I was daft enough to venture onto the footpath, I made it clear I knew it was for the horses.  Mind you, this did remind me of soggy cricketing afternoons when sawdust was called for to give the bowlers a bit of purchase, as we wiped the red surface from the ball onto damp rags instead of the thighs of our flannels.  Today, the brown horse was looking over the gate, its black companion preferring to remain in the field.

Agister's jeep 12.12By the side of Football Green, a New Forest Agister’s jeep was parked.  There was no-one in it or on the green so I was unable to check out Seamans Lane’s Agister’s Cottage.

On my way through London Minstead I stopped and chatted to Geoff Brown who was mending his fence.  This very friendly man invited me to knock on his door any time I was passing, when he would be happy to give me coffee.  He did not know the origin of Seamans Lane, but he, too, directed me to Nick on the brow of the hill.  I knocked on Nick’s door.  He was out, but his wife, Jeanie Mellersh, was very welcoming and we had a long talk.  Geoff had told me she was an artist, so she really should know the truth of the most startling information she gave me.  She thought Nick would not know a great deal about Seamans, but they knew a man who would.  This was Steve Cattell who lives opposite the village shop.  He runs the local history group which she recommended to me.  She didn’t know the truth of the press gang story.  She had heard another tale the veracity of which she could not vouch for either.  This was that Seamans Lodge was a home for old sailors.  There is in fact a Seamans Lodge, not visible from the road, behind Seamans Cottages.

The information she gave me that did ring true, however, concerned Grinling Gibbons.  This seventeenth century Englishman, born and educated in Holland, who settled in England and became what many people consider the greatest woodcarver of all time is known for his realistic and intricate representation of flowers, fruit, and birds.Grinling Gibbons carving 12.12  These are often bas relief in a vertical format, much like the carved mantelpiece above the fireplace in the communal entrance hall of our wing of Castle Malwood Lodge.  When I told her where I lived, Jeanie asked me if there was still a grand entrance hall with a white painted mantelpiece.  This, she told me, was by Grinling Gibbons.  We certainly agreed that Sir W. Harcourt, for whom the house was built, would have been rich enough to have imported the carving from an earlier source.  Whatever the fabric under the many layers of paint on this piece, it is certainly reminiscent of Gibbons.

I may be no wiser about the origin of Seamans, but the search for it is already proving fruitful.  Jackie Googled the word this evening and discovered it to be a surname of Anglo-Saxon origin mentioned in the Doomsday Book.  Given the inland nature of the New Forest this makes sense to me.  But we still have to verify this as pertinent to our Lane.

This afternoon we visited The Firs and partook of Danni’s succulent sausage casserole followed by Elizabeth’s excellent apple and plum crumble.  Various red wines, Hoegaarden and Coke were drunk by the assembled company.

11 responses to “Researching Seamans”

  1. This carving is low relief style carving (French 18e century Style) I think it is made from plaster, four pannels (trophy’s) placed together. These trophy’s present The hunting, harvest, garden theme…… Great trophy’s like this are to be found in Château Rambouillet France near Versailles carved in oak.
    Woodcarvings of Gibbons are made in limewood, they are carved in highrelief 20 to 30 cm relief. manny layers of limewood placed on each other, like in Hampton court (Uk) I have a lot of books of Grinling Gibbons work , this is certainly not made by Gibbons.

    yours sincerely
    Patrick Damiaens

  2. My family Robert, John and Zachariah Over lived in Seamans from at least 1666 when they were granted a lease till 1793 when it passed to Rev Joseph Hollis of Lymington,

    Yours sincerely

    Peter Eckford

    • That’s fascinating Peter. There are still one or two old thatched cottages. I wonder if the Over home may be one of them. I’ve never discovered the origin of the name. Thank you for the information.

  3. […] Today’s walk was the Football Green, Shave Wood, London Minstead loop.  The younger Saunders woman waved and greeted me gleefully as I reached Orchard Gate.  She said they were all delighted with the photographs and her brother was going to have a copy made.  She called her mother who was equally pleased to see me, and said she would like me to photograph her other horses so she could have the pictures framed and put on the wall. One of the horses is ‘out in the forest somewhere’, so Audrey is not sure where it is.  I said I would be happy to take more photographs and would make other copies of the first ones for her son.  The daughter had told me that the woman I had given the pictures to was her aunt, presumably Audrey’s sister.  Primrose and Champion had not been removed when the rain was really heavy.  They had taken to the hedges.  Before I moved on the son drove up.  He was the man who had been laying down the sawdust on 9th. […]

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